PBS Discussions Discussion Forums on pbs.org    Search   Register   Profile   Ignore List   Log in  Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs      PBS Discussions Forum Index -> NOW: Politics & Economy View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message rural hall Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 3720 Location: North Carolina  Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:21 pm    Post subject: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs But since no Jews are involved, reaction from leftist loonies is ho-hum. _________________ Esse Quam Videri. Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Interim Somali Government May Reorganize 27 July 2006 The interim government of Somalia is considering including Islamic leaders in the hope of finding a political solution to the looming crisis in the country. The conflict is being further fueled by the involvement of neighboring countries Ethiopia and Eritrea. Quote: Somali legislators have handed a vote of no confidence in Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi, to the speaker of parliament. The Transitional Federal government will meet to debate the motion on Saturday. The members of parliament behind the move hope that Islamist leaders, whose forces control the capital Mogadishu and much of the south of the country, may be enticed into fresh peace talks by the possibility that a member of their faction could replace Mr. Gedi as Prime Minister. Radical cleric, Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, leader of the group known as the Islamic Courts said his followers will not meet for talks with the Transitional Federal Government as long as Ethiopian forces remain in the country, regardless of changes to the government. But there are believed to be splits within the Islamist faction between hardliners who are seeking to force the interim government from power by force, and moderates who are open to resuming peace negotiations. Nairobi-based analyst Matt Brydon says he expects President Abdullahi Yusuf to back the removal of Prime Minister Gedi. He says if the transitional government seizes the opportunity to include Islamic leaders then this move could strengthen the cause of moderates, who wish to find a political solution to the crisis. "I think what is important with the reshuffle is that a new government, if its broader based is likely to be more disposed to negotiation then the current one is, generally it's a step in the right direction," he said. More http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-07-27-voa37.cfm _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:21 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Somali minister assassinated War looms as Islamists strengthen, old foes back opposing sides Friday, July 28, 2006 Quote: Gunmen shot dead a Somali government minister outside a mosque on Friday in a killing sure to exacerbate tensions in the violence-plagued Horn of Africa nation. The attackers opened fire on Constitution and Federalism Minister Abdallah Deerow Isaq as he left prayers in the provincial town of Baidoa, witnesses and officials said. "It looks like an organized assassination," Information Minister Mohamed Abdi Hayr told Reuters from Baidoa, seat of the fragile interim Somali government. "So far we do not know who did it. They shot him as he was leaving the mosque then ran off. Police are chasing the gunmen." Formed in 2004 in the 14th attempt to restore central rule to Somalia since the 1991 ousting of a military dictator, the government's authority has been challenged by the rise of an Islamist movement that took Mogadishu and other towns in June. MORE See also: Somalia War Threatens to Go Regional July 28, 2006 - Eastern Africa region could be entering a period of new instability, sparked by a conflict in Somalia that has already drawn in Ethiopia and Eritrea, regional analysts warned. Quote: Ethiopia is threatening to send troops across the border into Somalia to defend the country's transitional government from resurgent Islamist forces, The U.N. and others claim some Ethiopian troops have already entered Somalia, although Addis Ababa denies this. Augusta Muchai of the human security think-tank Institute of Security Studies said the international community should move into Somalia and "make a positive impact" before the conflict escalates into a regional proxy war. "We need to resolve these issues now before they escalate," she said. "The main problem will be increased availability of illicit small arms and increased instability." Muchai cautioned that there were groups already keen to supply arms to the region, a reason underlining the importance of an international force in the region. Abdikarin Farah, the transitional government's envoy to the African Union (A.U.) warned that the conflict was now a regional problem that would bring further insecurity and extremism. MORE _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:24 am; edited 2 times in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Somali Islamists Consolidate Power 01 August 2006 - The rise of hardliners in Somalia's Islamist group is fueling regional and western concerns that a Taleban-style regime will be established and the country will become a breeding ground for terrorists. The group's top leader is Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, who spoke to VOA Correspondent Alisha Ryu in Mogadishu by telephone from his base in the Galgadud region of central Somalia. Quote: It is rare for the 62-year-old Islamic leader to be seen in public or to grant interviews. But he said he felt it was important to talk to VOA so that he could set the record straight about his vision for Somalia's future. Aweys says Somalia is not Afghanistan and the only thing the two countries have in common is the religion of Islam. He continues, "If you ask me what Somalia is and will be in the future, it is Islamic. But that is where the similarity between Somalia and Afghanistan ends, and the United States has no right to ask or know what we will or will not do." The cleric would not clarify how the country under his rule would differ from that of Afghanistan's former Taleban rulers, who imposed the harshest form of Islamic laws, called sharia, and gave sanctuary to Osama bin Laden. But questions about Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys' extremist leanings and ties to terrorist groups have been raised since the early 1990s, when he headed a Somali Islamic militia called al-Itihaad al-Islamiya. Aweys maintains the group was only concerned with fighting Ethiopian attempts to establish a political and military foothold in Somalia. But western terrorism experts say the al-Itihaad group was made up of hardcore militants, determined to turn the country into a fundamentalist Islamic state. Aweys is on a U.S. list of people linked to terrorism. But he denies he is a terrorist and says his only purpose for spreading Islamic rule is to help Somalia recover from 15 years of lawlessness and factional divisions. More http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-08-01-voa53.cfm See also: Somalia's weak government orders disarmament as it continues to unravel August 1, 2006 – Somalia's president told residents of the only town his government controls Tuesday that they have a week to give up their weapons or “every single gun” would be seized by force. Quote: President Abdullahi Yusuf said his government would pay people for any arms surrendered and that details of the disarmament plan would be released Wednesday. He did not say why his government decided on the measure, but two lawmakers have been shot in Baidoa, 155 miles from the capital of Mogadishu, over the past week, one fatally. More than 21 others have resigned in disgust, including five on Tuesday. Meanwhile, the rival Islamic militia has expanded its influence beyond the country's south and Mogadishu to central Somalia for the first time. The government has watched helplessly as the militia tightened its grip since seizing control in June. Hundreds of Islamic militiamen with dozens of pickup trucks mounted with machine-guns reached Adado district in the central region of Galgaduud and set up an Islamic court on Monday, said resident Sahal Osman. Somalia's government has no military and relies on a militia loyal to Yusuf. The Islamic militants have imposed strict religious courts, raising fears of an emerging Taliban-style regime. The United States accuses the group of harboring al-Qaeda leaders responsible for deadly bombings at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. The militants have brought a remarkable amount of control to a country that has seen little but chaos since 1991, when longtime dictator Mohamed Siad Barre was toppled. MORE _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:29 am; edited 2 times in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Somalia's leaders sack government Monday, 7 August 2006, Somalia's government leaders say they have resolved their differences and will dissolve the cabinet. Quote: Some 40 ministers have quit the cabinet over the prime minister's opposition to peace talks with the Islamist militias who control the capital, Mogadishu. The crisis had caused a rift between President Abdullahi Yusuf and Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Ghedi. Mr Ghedi's government controls little more than Baidoa, where it is based. "The bloated cabinet of Ali Mohamed Ghedi's government did not do anything during its tenure," President Yusuf announced in parliament. "From today onwards, the government has been dissolved - only the prime minister will remain." In terms of the agreement, the prime minister is to appoint a new cabinet of 31 ministers within seven days. Mediator Prime Minister Ghedi said that although his government had survived a democratic vote of no confidence, "the political differences which resulted from there have been thrashed out and we're now together to serve Somali interests". The announcement reportedly follows the intervention of Ethiopian Foreign Minister Seyoum Mesfin as mediator between the two factions in the Somali government. More http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/africa/5252602.stm _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:30 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Somalia Islamists take key town Wednesday, 9 August 2006, Fighting erupts in a central Somali town as Islamists in control of the south try to extend their influence. Quote: Islamic militia have taken control of the central Somali town of Beletuein. The strategic town changed hands after fighting erupted in between the town's previous pro-government rulers and the militia of a local Islamic court. Tension is high in central Somalia as the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) that controls much of southern Somalia tries to spread its influence further north. Earlier, two were injured in Galkayo in a protest led by clerics who say the UIC's brand of Islam is too militant. Strategic The BBC's Hassan Barise in Mogadishu says no one was injured in the short battle in the strategically important town of Beletuein, some 300km north of the capital. "I'm not willing to go back to Somalia until Somalia becomes peaceful and a democracy ." More http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/africa/4775753.stm _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:32 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Ethiopia warns of Somali dangers Saturday, 12 August 2006, Ethiopia says it will not tolerate gains for Islamic forces in Somalia that sideline the government there. Quote: Ethiopia has warned that Somalia's transitional government is in danger of being sidelined by the growth in power of the country's Islamic Courts. The country's foreign ministry said much of the power within the Islamic Courts has fallen into the hands of "terrorist" elements. There are also reports of arms flooding into Somalia despite an embargo, and Ethiopian troops massed at the border. There are fears that Ethiopia could intervene against the Islamic Courts. In a statement issued on an Ethiopian government website, a senior information official, Solomon Abebe, complained that too much power in Somalia was being concentrated in the hands of Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, who chairs the Union of Islamic Courts. Mr Abebe described Mr Aweys' al-Ittihad organisation as a "terrorist group". "Any move which would be detrimental to the national interests of the country [Ethiopia] would not be tolerated," Mr Abebe added. More http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/africa/4787731.stm _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:34 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Ethiopia troops head for Baidoa Sunday, 20 August 2006, Ethiopian troops, allied to Somalia's transitional government, advance towards its base in Baidoa. Quote: Ethiopia is the Somali government's main ally against the Islamic militia who control the capital, Mogadishu. The Somali government has meanwhile declared support for an Eritrean rebel group, accusing Eritrea's government of supporting the Somali Islamists. Regional rivals Ethiopia and Eritrea have both denied accusations that they are fighting a proxy war in Somalia. Ethiopia has however said it would intervene if Baidoa came under attack. The Ethiopian troops entered Somalia at the border town of Dolow about 0400 local time (0100 GMT) on Sunday, the BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan says. They were later seen with 11 armoured vehicles in the town of Awdinle, 30 km from Baidoa. A spokesman for the Somali transitional government denied the presence of Ethiopian troops on Somali soil, and said the reports were Islamist propaganda. More http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/africa/5268868.stm _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:36 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Islamists seize key Somali port September 25, 2006 - HEAVILY armed Muslim gunmen moved into Kismayo overnight, after the town was abandoned by a defence force loyal to the troubled country's defence minister. Quote: Hundreds of heavily armed Muslim gunmen moved into Kismayo after a local militia loyal to the defence minister in the weak Somali transitional government abandoned the town, witnesses said, adding that no shots were fired. The Islamists had been camped outside the town, about 500 km south of Mogadishu, for days and were reinforcing positions, fuelling fears of clashes between them and Juba Valley Alliance (JVA) militia. "On Sunday night, the Islamists entered the town. Hirale and his militiamen have emptied the township and fled," said Kismayo resident Abdullahi Hashi Gullale, referring to JVA commander and defence minister Barre Shire Hirale. Other witnesses said they saw more than 600 Muslim gunmen on about 50 "battlewagons", machine-gun mounted pick-ups also known as "technicals", heading toward Kismayo overnight after the arrival of hundreds earlier. Mr Gullale said the defence minister and his forces had fled to Berhane, about 40 km southwest of Kismayo, after days of rising tension as the Islamists reinforced positions outside the town. The Islamist build-up had unsettled the port, from which many inhabitants fled fearing clashes, and Mr Gullale and others said the town was taken without a fight and that more Islamist gunmen were expected. MORE _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:37 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Ethiopia is 'technically at war' Wednesday, 25 October 2006, - Ethiopia is "technically" at war with Somalia's Islamic courts, says its Prime Minister Meles Zenawi. Quote: "The jihadist elements within the Islamic Court movement are spoiling for a fight," he told Reuters news agency. He said they were trying to avoid a "shooting war" but that if Ethiopia was forced to fight it would. He said the few hundred armed Ethiopian military trainers in Somalia were there to support the beleaguered interim government based in Baidoa. Somalia has been in the grip of warlords and militias for years and has not had a functioning national government since 1991. The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) has consolidated its control over much of southern Somalia after seizing the capital, Mogadishu, in June. The UIC was set up by businessmen who wanted to impose law and order, and their gunmen have become Somalia's strongest fighting force. 'Patient' The Islamists accuse Ethiopia of having troops inside the country as a fighting force backing the weak transitional government. "We are trying to avoid a shooting war to the maximum extent possible" - PM Meles Zenawi More http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/africa/6083854.stm _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:39 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Somali peace 'no longer possible' Friday, 15 December 2006, Somalia's weak interim president rules out any further peace talks with the powerful Islamist group. Quote: With fears of war rising, Abdullahi Yusuf accused the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) of close al-Qaeda links. "We are no longer under the illusion that peace is possible with the UIC," he told reporters at his Baidoa base. The UIC denies links to al-Qaeda and vowed to attack Ethiopian troops if they have not left Somalia by Tuesday. Senior Islamist leader Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys said his movement would not target the interim Somalia government - just Ethiopian troops. "Our country has been invaded by Ethiopia ... we should have thrown them out a long time ago." Ethiopia denies it has soldiers in Somalia, but admits to having hundreds of military trainers in the country supporting the government. President Yusuf accused the UIC of being the ones to close the door to peace talks. "They are the ones who are waging the war. I don't see peace and I don't think they want peace. "If there was something to offer them I would, but I am sure they have no intention for peace and therefore I have nothing to offer them." Military build-up See also: Somalis brace for all-out war FRIDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2006 - Interim government forces currently control a small strip of land around the town of Baidoa Quote: Residents of the town housing Somalia's interim government are stocking up provisions as troops test weaponry before a feared attack by the Council of Islamic Courts. Islamic Courts fighters have threatened to attack Baidoa if Ethiopian troops protecting the government do not leave by Tuesday. Hassan Aweys, the Islamic Courts leader, said on Friday his movement did not plan to attack the Horn of Africa's interim government but only "invading" Ethiopian troops. He said: "We do not intend to attack the government, but at the same time we are obliged to attack Ethiopians. "Our country has been invaded by Ethiopia ... we should have thrown them out a long time ago." Abdullahi Yusuf, Somalia's president, reacted by saying that peace talks with the Islamic Courts, who took Mogadishu in June and expanded across most of south Somalia since, are no longer an option, warning that the group is "allowing al-Qaeda terrorists to set up shop in the Horn of Africa". He said: "This is a new chapter and part of the terror group's plan to wage war against the West." Face-off _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:42 am; edited 2 times in total Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs Ethiopia says forced into war with Somali Islamists Sun Dec 24, 2006 - Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi said on Sunday he was waging war against Somalia's Islamists to protect his country's sovereignty, intensifying a conflict that threatens to engulf the Horn of Africa. Quote: It was Ethiopia's first public admission of military involvement in Somalia, where for the first time it sent warplanes on Sunday to pound the Islamist fighters now encircling the weak interim government. Ethiopian officials have said the Somalia Islamic Courts Council (SICC), which now controls most of Somalia except for the government-held town of Baidoa, is a terrorist group backed by Ethiopia's enemy, Eritrea. "Ethiopian defense forces were forced to enter into war to the protect the sovereignty of the nation and to blunt repeated attacks by Islamic courts terrorists and anti-Ethiopian elements they are supporting," Meles said in a televised address. "Our defense forces will leave as soon as they end their mission." Despite the military campaign, Meles said Ethiopia supported talks between the two sides to set up a joint administration. RIVAL CLAIMS Related: Fighting Intensifies In Somalia December 24, 2006 - Fighting has intensified in Somalia on Sunday as Ethiopian fighter jets pounded several Islamic militia-occupied towns. Ethiopia backs the country's interim government against the Islamic militia, which controls most of the southern region of country. Quote: "The Ethiopian air strike hit the strategic town of Belet Weyne on the border of both countries," an official linked with Somalia's Council of Islamic Courts said, according to the Associated Press. "The planes hit an Islamic center where the Islamic officials in the region have been enrolling volunteers who wanted to join the war," a local witness told the news agency. On Saturday, Islamic militia officials appealed to foreign fighters to join them in a "Jihad" against Ethiopia. http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005951103 _________________ How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. - Ronald Reagan Last edited by kywalt on Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:44 am; edited 2 times in total Back to top Pelagius2001 Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 173  Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs This is really great news. Back to top kywalt Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 20447 Location: Okolona  Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Re: Ethiopians engaged in whip-arse of Somalian thugs UN Authorizes Somalia Peacekeepers 20 February 2007 - The U.N. Security Council has authorized an African Union peacekeeping mission for Somalia. Quote: A Council resolution adopted unanimously Tuesday authorizes the 53-nation African Union to establish a mission in Somalia as soon as possible. Diplomats say the force is expected to number about 8,000. On a day when deadly mortar attacks and gunfire forced thousands to flee the capital, Mogadishu, the Security Council asked Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to immediately dispatch a technical assessment team to the region. The mission is to explore the feasibility of transferring control of the peacekeeping force to the United Nations control within six months. Somalia has been without a functioning government since 1991, when warlords ousted dictator Mohammed Siad Barre. The Horn of Africa nation enjoyed a brief moment of stability in December last year, when neighboring Ethiopia sent a heavily-armed force to help the transitional government recapture Mogadishu from Islamists who had controlled it since last June. But the ongoing withdrawal of Ethiopian troops is creating a security vacuum, and the recent surge of violence is threatening to plunge the nation back into anarchy. Britain sponsored Tuesday's Security Council resolution. The British U.N. Ambassador Emyr Jones-Parry called the peacekeeping force a small but significant step in restoring stability to the impoverished nation. "For the first time in 15 years the Somalia people have a prospect of being governed by representative institutions that will provide them with security and stability," said Emyr Jones-Parry. 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